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S1
E13
38 mins
Mar 16, 2026
He Turned Down Adobe. Then He Shelved His Own Product
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Steve had his bags packed for Adobe. Then he turned the job down, and went all-in on TLDraw.
We talked about studying ink on paper becoming a software superpower, "product maker fit" — trusting your gut over ROI, whether a digital canvas is still an art medium, why most software experiences haven't been discovered yet, Make Real as one of the first vibe-coding tools, open source monetization, and defining craft in 2026.
LINKS
tldraw: https://tldraw.com
Steve Ruiz: https://x.com/steveruizok
Chapters
[00:00] - He turned down Adobe on a Friday
[01:30] - How studying ink on paper became a software superpower
[06:08] - “Product Maker Fit” — trusting your gut over ROI
[08:22] - The content creation ladder: tweets to products
[10:49] - Is a digital canvas still an art medium?
[14:42] - “Most software experiences haven’t been discovered yet”
[17:10] - When the prototype becomes the product
[19:14] - Make Real: one of the first vibe-coding tools
[21:13] - The cycling analogy — optimize for points of contact
[23:51] - tldraw’s origin and the Adobe decision
[29:19] - Open source monetization: “Just ask for money”
[31:34] - Defining craft in 2026
[34:08] - Why craft only matters for high-agency users
[36:14] - What keeps him coming back
[37:28] - My takeaways
